############ ########## Volume 2 Number 9 ############ ########## May 1, 1992 #### ### ### ########## ########## ########## ### ### #### #### ########## ########## ########## ### ### ##### #### ########## #### #### ### ### ###### #### #### ######## ######## ### ### ############ #### ######## ######## ### ### #### ####### ############# #### #### ########## #### ###### ############# #### #### ########## #### ##### ############# #### #### ########## #### #### ## ## ## |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| EFFector | | ONline | | | CROSSCURRENTS: | firstname.lastname@example.org | | | A Snapshot of Life at | 155 Second Street | EFF's Outposts | Cambridge, MA 02141 | | (617) 864-0665 | | | | 666 Pennsylvania Ave.SE | | Washington, DC 20003 | | (202) 544-9237 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ AUSTIN CHAPTER ANNOUNCES FIRST MEMBERSHIP MEETING Date: Sunday, May 3rd 1992 Time: 1:30 p.m. Place: Austin Technology Incubator 8920 Business Park Drive (off Jollyville Road). We've been working, with Mitchell Kapor's approval, to set up an Austin chapter. This Sunday it happens - we'll have our first general meeting. On the agenda: MEET THE EFF - Learn what's going on. Meet the local board members (by the way, positions are still open on the board)! Ask questions. Get answers. Get input into what the Austin group will be doing, and the status of electronic activism nationwide. UPDATE ON THE SECRET SERVICE CASE - Steve Jackson, the Austin game designer whose office was raided by the Secret Service, will report on the status of his case. With the backing of the EFF, he (and users of his BBS) have filed suit against the govern- ment under the First and Fourth Amendments! If this case succeeds, it will help secure YOUR rights as a computer user and citizen of the Net. CYBERTEX CONVENTION - A year from now, the Austin EFF will hold a convention for BBS sysops, users, VR hackers, robot designers, and other citizens of Texas cyberspace . . . a Virtual Rodeo! Help plan - join the committee - get involved in what we hope will be an annual event that will draw nationwide attendance. JOIN THE GROUP - We'll be accepting memberships. We've also got great T-shirts for sale for $10.00. For more information about the EFF, or the meeting, contact Ed Cavazos through one of the following channels: WWIVnet - 1@5285 DNS - email@example.com or firstname.lastname@example.org Voice - (512) 385-2789 BBS - The Bamboo Gardens North - (512) 385-2941 - POLEKAT -==--==--==-<>-==--==--==- CROSSCURRENTS: EFF ON USENET, COMPUSERVE, AND THE WELL The EFF currently manages three open discussion forums -- each quite different in flavor and character. We thought we would share with you a snippet of daily life in each of these unique global villages. Comp.org.eff.talk By far, our most widely read forum is the Usenet group, comp.org.eff.talk. It can be accessed by anyone who has a newsfeed at their disposal. You can also read eff.talk if you don't have a newsfeed, but do have an e-mail account reachable via the Net by sending e-mail to email@example.com. In addition, eff.talk is carried on many BBSs and is echoed across the Fidonet backbone. From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Jim Lick) Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk Subject: Re: More songs about buildings and ftp.uu.net [In response to an upset post about ftp.uu.net's policy of logging anonymous ftp logins.] I thought I would add to this thread from the perspective of someone who operates an ftp archive. The logging here has been going on for a few months now. Initially, this was done without notice. The main README file had info about upload policies, but there was no pointer for new users to read this. The logging was done in response to a number of people abusing their privileges by uploading their personal files to distribute to friends or to bypass their local quotas temporarily. And some people were uploading X-rated image files. As anyone who reads the pictures groups knows, I have nothing against x-rated image files. However, various local and network policies prohibit their distribution through public ftp archives. I would be held personally responsible for any such files found on my site. Not long after logging was started, someone uploaded about 10 x-rated image files to the main incoming directory. Because of the surprising response from the remote site, I started a dialogue on the matter in the pictures discussion groups on the matter about what should be done. As a result of this discussion, it was decided that a notice of the logging should be posted immediately at login, and also an explanation of the upload restrictions. A number of other sites now post such notices also. Note that many sites still do logging, but do not post a notice about it. The logging is nothing new, just the notices are. My notice reads: ============================================================ NOTICE: All transactions are logged. If you don't like this, disconnect now. All the public files are kept in the directory /pub and below. Do not upload anything which could get me in trouble. This includes illegally copied software, x-rated image or text files, etc. If you do not obey this warning, your actions will be reported. ============================================================ The physical disk for the ftp area is on ferkel.ucsb.edu. It would likely be faster and more reliable to use ferkel instead of piggy, oinker, or cavevax. (The systems are all logically equivalent though.) ============================================================ If you see something strange happening (permission denied on files, etc.), drop me email at email@example.com. ============================================================ If your ftp client doesn't seem to be working correctly, try logging in with '-' as the first character in your password. If users login with '-' as the first character in the password, they receive the message: 230 Guest login ok, read /README before using system. because '-' disables multi-line messages which confuse older ftp clients. In a later discussion in another group (I don't remember which), several people argued that the login name of 'anonymous' implied that no logging would take place. As a result of this, my initial action was to remove the login 'anonymous' as a ftp login, using 'ftp' and 'guest' instead. This ended up screwing up mirror programs, archie, and the like, so I changed things to send the message: 331 Guest login ok, 'anonymous' login doesn't mean you won't be logged. if a user logs in as 'anonymous'. I feel that such notices are the only effective ways to prevent misuse of my server. Logging is the only effective way to detect misuse quickly and easily. It is not meant to be used in a 'Big-Brother' manner. I receive the ftp logs in mail every morning from the previous day, and do a quick grep on it to see if anything happened. If nothing suspicious is noted, its deleted. In other discussions, I likened this logging to having a security camera in a store. The potential for abuse is there in each case, but security cameras are accepted to help prevent crime. The logs should be accepted by users to prevent misuse. If misuse could not be controlled because of the lack of logs, it would be possible for some ftp archives to be closed down completely. Like store cameras, most stores have cameras recording your actions without you knowing it, and many ftp sites log you without you knowing about it. Jim Lick Work: University of California | Play: 6657 El Colegio #24 Santa Barbara | Isla Vista, CA 93117-4280 Dept. of Mechanical Engr. | (805) 968-0189 voice/msg 2311 Engr II Building | "when you gonna make up your mind? (805) 893-4113 | when you gonna love you as much firstname.lastname@example.org | as i do?" -Tori Amos Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk Subject: Ownership of messages? From: email@example.com.CA.US (Mike Batchelor) Got a question about something. Let me quote a message first, which is why I am asking. It is from the RelayNet International Message Exchange, a DOS-based store-and-forward network. Bonnie Anthony is a member of the Steering Committee for RIME, and is in a position to speak for the whole organization: ====================================================================== BBS: The Holistic BBS - Based on the Premise Date: 04-11-92 (05:06) Number: 10096 From: BONNIE ANTHONY Refer#: 10093 To: DEKE BARKER Recvd: NO Subj: Free speech?? Conf: (616) Users ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DB|Assuming for the moment that making certain characterizations is DB|a valid (RIME-legal) activity, is it against RIME rules to draw DB|upon specific statements by that individual/group made on other DB|conferences or networks? To take an off-the-wall example: If DB|President Bush participated on RIME's DEBATE and (say) a debate DB|conference on another network, and had made statements like "I DB|support the Choice movement" in discussions on the other network, DB|would it be inappropriate to quote such statements in refuting DB|his anti-choice statements on RIME? (Assume public statements.) Because the other networks claim ownership of their messages, yes it would be inappropriate to quote such statements. You could of course say that you saw on another network where President Bush had made those statements, and then you could get permission from him to post his quotes on this network, as he owns his own material as well. I know this is seems silly here but we abide by other networks stated rules and positions. Now in here Deke, because this is a resolution conference, we allow greater flexibility in making specific statements about others. That would NOT be permitted in an issue oriented conference per se. --- * MegaMail 2.10 #2:There is no pleasing a serpent PCRelay:RUNNINGA -> #2 RelayNet (tm) 4.11 The Running Board * 301 229-5342 * MD ====================================================================== Is there any basis for her claim that the RIME network, or other networks, own all messages passing through them? I've asked her for clarification on whether RIME itself claims such ownership. Meanwhile, it doesn't seem to me like anybody can claim ownership or copyright on messages or articles posted to a public forum (so I have felt free to quote Bonnie's message here). My question may be practically moot, however, since the RIME network has the ability to put my name in an "insulate" file, and prevent my messages from propagating if they choose to do so. They do this routinely to "problem users" who repeatedly violate their rules.  ---  Mike Batchelor -- firstname.lastname@example.org.CA.US -- cerritos.edu!batpad!mike  Long Beach, California EFFSIG Our latest outpost is on Compuserve Information Services. CIS can be reached at Customer Service Dept., PO Box 20212, Columbus, OH 43220. Our room here is called a Forum, and we've set up several sections within that forum -- they are: Sysop Section EFFector@CIS News Online The Matrix Cyberlaw NetTech Networlds Software Hardware Wetware FutureNets TechnoRisks Media Watch Maps & Guides Homesteading Beginner's Mind Pointers The Online section is currently chewing on the concept of electronic offices. Topic: Officeless Companies From: Michael Houdeshell 70004,1044 To: Gerard Van der Leun Q: If one telecommutes from another state, to which state does one pay taxes? A colleague just moved from Ohio to Indiana, but still works via modem for the company in Ohio. Where is the "workplace"? Ohio? Indiana? In cyberspace? In the cable? Or should he just split the difference and list Union City? (Not that he asked me, but it was the first question that popped into my mind.) Theory of the four great movements of human populations in terms of proximity of sleeping quarters to food supply: (1) Hunter-gatherer period. Migratory population, movements tied directly to food supply. (2) Agricultural revolution. Rural population. Static in relation to food supply. Work of cultivation not yet abstracted as work, per se, but getting there. (All that Book O' Genesis talk about sweat and toil and so on.) (3) Industrial period (early). Beginning of mass movement to cities. Manor trades (division of labor) intensified. Work for intermediary commodity: money. Living and sleeping quarters still physically near work. (3.5) Ugly backsliding phenomenon of "company towns" (U.S., 19th c.) (4) Migration from cities to suburbia, farm to cities (and sometimes suburbia). Increasing distance of living from work, work from food. The Era of Wonderbread and TupperWare. (5) Migration to virtual workplace. Increasingly ephemeral ties to employer. It would be interesting to plot the length of time necessary for, say, half the population to make each transition. This could be accomplished relatively easily with Census Bureau figures for the (3) -(4) period. I suspect, from the rapidity with which the movement from farms to cities took place, and the colonization of suburbia (30-40 years?), that the movement to the virtual workplace, which just recently began, should be a fait accompli by 2005, at the latest. Other conjectures? Rebuttals? Commentary on this crack-brained schema?